tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post9181369864421620011..comments2023-12-22T15:54:02.289-08:00Comments on Consider The Source: Who Lost on Tuesday?mikeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13057701313718589322noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-44693080478313148082013-11-11T08:52:03.359-08:002013-11-11T08:52:03.359-08:00Much as I am in favor of giving the Republican Par...Much as I am in favor of giving the Republican Party an anvil while they are drowning, I would be pleased to see the Teabaggers waning. But I am not so sure. The Baggers still seem to have enough juice to twist their own party even further to the right through primaries by certifiably insane people, while still not having enough votes to actually get them elected, except for gerrymanderrific cases like Ted Cruz.<br /><br />I think one of the more interesting takeaways, though, is that when the Teabag candidate goes full misogynist and/or anti-sex, middle of the road women kick their asses. Come on, Virginia in an off-year election, running on the Obamacare website rollout and enjoying a pretty strong vote purge? Cuccinelli should have won in a walk, and I think he would have, if he could have kept his Anti-Sex Brigade urges quelled.<br /><br />The big winner? Christie.<br /><br />And, of course, everything else is the fault of Obama, or, maybe, Democrats. <br /><br />Sheesh. The idea that McCain or Romney would have been LESS corporate-whore than Obama is ridiculous.zombie rotten mcdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601960953323752278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-20149359176149520942013-11-09T08:06:53.696-08:002013-11-09T08:06:53.696-08:00I actually don't disagree with any of that*. I...I actually don't disagree with any of that*. If the Democrats run a more progressive candidate, I will support the hell out of him or her. But the system is massively corrupt, with huge amounts of private money driving the process, so there's really no way that's going to happen no matter how activist Americans get - and Americans for the most part don't do activist. So I see it like this. If Russia and Moldova both declared war on your country the same morning, you'd martial your resources to defeat Russia before turning to Moldova. Because while Moldova can cause you some problems, Russia can destroy you.<br /><br />*I actually DON'T agree with this: <i>Obama has the opportunity to do enormous damage to his base while ticking off the last and biggest items left on his corporate to do list.</i> <br /><br />Neither or us have any way to know what's in his head, but I look at Obama I see a pretty liberal guy by nature who, as you say, is no longer beholden to the corrupt American electoral system. There's no reason for him to continue to serve them, and there's no reason NOT to do the good things he'd like to do. <br /><br />Except, of course, for the obsolete structure of our system of governance that allows the minority party the power to prevent the President from acting at all...mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13057701313718589322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-63663855391055047222013-11-09T04:55:45.774-08:002013-11-09T04:55:45.774-08:00Well if you keep saying I'm simple-minded, I w...Well if you keep saying I'm simple-minded, I will surely come to see the superiority of your arguments.<br /><br />But first, I'm going to note that you're arguing against what you want me to say, and not what I said: Which is that we aren't winning, the people with all the money are. What happens when the lesser evil is getting more evil all the time? When the less evil wins, you're still losing.<br /><br />"The choice is between clunking along with some policies I don't agree with..."<br /><br />Let's be clear what those policies are: Unemployment has been over 7% since December of 2008. That's not a little thing to gloss over, mikey. If a President McCain had tried to do as much for Wall Street and as little for the average American over this time span, he'd have been thrown out on his ass in 2012. And I doubt he could have gotten as much done for Wall Street while he was in office...it takes a Democratic President to get Democrats to go along with reprehensible policies.<br /><br />Moving along: <i>And that's why your single minded focus on bashing Democrats when Republicans</i><br /><br />How did gay rights groups get Obama to evolve on gay marriage, mikey? Did they patrol the internet, telling Obama critics to SHUT UP!, because the lesser evil, Q.E.D.?<br /><br />No. Obama needed their money in 2012, they told him, "give us this, you cynical fuck, or you don't get the money." <a href="http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/09/11623172-the-evolution-of-obamas-stance-on-gay-marriage" rel="nofollow">And presto-chango, our President evolved</a>.<br /><br />I think we should want to see more of this, mikey. And less "the teabags are scary, therefore I'll defend Obama, his people, and his policies, no matter how shitty they are."<br /><br />Obama isn't running again, you know. But just like Bill Clinton did in his last year in office (NAFTA, the repeal of Glass-Steagal, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000), Obama has the opportunity to do enormous damage to his base while ticking off the last and biggest items left on his corporate to do list.<br />~ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©https://www.blogger.com/profile/06252371815131259831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-79196201288099767642013-11-08T13:57:40.601-08:002013-11-08T13:57:40.601-08:00Where I continue to disagree with you, Thunder, is...Where I continue to disagree with you, Thunder, is in your simplistic and demonstrable false "not a dimes bit of difference between 'em" stance. Would I like to see a more liberal Democratic party? Certainly. But they are orders of magnitude better than either the taliban wingnuts of the tea party or the rapacious thugs of the 'moderate' Republican party.<br /><br />The Democrats passed health care reform. The democrats want to raise the min wage. The democrats want to implement common sense gun control. The democrats are driving marriage equality and women's rights. The tea party wants to make gay sex a crime. The Republicans want to eliminate the EPA. Sure, Democrats deregulated the banks, but what do you think that process would have looked like under Romney. The choice is between clunking along with some policies I don't agree with and full-on scorched earth horror. And that's why your single minded focus on bashing Democrats when Republicans want to kill you and eat your children confuses me...mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13057701313718589322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-59194574735378860112013-11-08T13:05:37.400-08:002013-11-08T13:05:37.400-08:00I agree with you completely. We watched with horr...I agree with you completely. We watched with horror as the Tea Party dragged the country into right wing conspiracy laden land. However, I want the Tea Party to continue to undermine the GOP even though the rest of us get the blood splatter. If the 1% were able to take the Republican Party back and given how dangerous the 1% have proved themselves to be, even to themselves, we would indeed be in very deep crap. The US works best when there is a reasonable balance between regulation/oversight and capitalism. When it gets out of balance we get into trouble. It's clearly out of balance now, given the stunning and growing gaps between the 1% and the rest of us. If the 1% were able to take the country back there would be no stopping them. They will gorge themselves until chaos reigns. Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13447977414569650478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-29238335477134715712013-11-08T12:25:08.167-08:002013-11-08T12:25:08.167-08:00They are the voters who are preventing the electio...<i>They are the voters who are preventing the election of those so-called 'moderate' Republicans who "only" want to take your job, your health and starve your grandma.</i><br /><br />Since the Bill Clinton/neoliberal wing took over the party, we have 'moderate' Democrats who are efficiently accomplishing those goals, mikey. Hurrah?<br /><br />Bill Clinton and his Treasury Secretary, Bob Rubin, deregulated Wall Street and passed NAFTA. Obama filled his Administration with Bob Rubinites, showered the TBTF banks with money and protected them from prosecution, and is busy trying to pass 'NAFTA on steroids'.<br /><br />The plutocracy is crying all the way to the bank.<br />~<br /><br /><br />ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©https://www.blogger.com/profile/06252371815131259831noreply@blogger.com