tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post318291436958413969..comments2023-12-22T15:54:02.289-08:00Comments on Consider The Source: Stand There, Don't Just Do Somethingmikeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13057701313718589322noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-52960636733744388612012-12-22T09:02:22.678-08:002012-12-22T09:02:22.678-08:00As I said, it's legislatively, politically and...As I said, it's legislatively, politically and constitutionally impossible. If you COULD get it written and passed - which you couldn't - SCOTUS would kill it instantly. You just couldn't make it work.mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13057701313718589322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-8166791689154115982012-12-20T03:55:44.387-08:002012-12-20T03:55:44.387-08:00It's broad because it covers a class of weapon...It's broad because it covers a class of weapons, however it is well-defined. I ask you to offer up an example of a weapon that challenges the autoload definition. For that I'll give a definition for you to assail: a weapon that prepares another round for firing without the operator going through a physical action to perform the reload.<br /><br />That covers all semi- and full-auto weapons right there excluding pump, bolt-action, and single-shot weapons. Do you think revolvers are covered by this definition? Then add a specific exemption for revolver handguns.<br /><br />You yourself argued that assault weapon and high-cap magazine bans are easily worked-around and I agree that they are close to useless. Autoload ban avoids the 'doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome' insanity of re-banning assault weapons and high-cap magazines.<br /><br />And finally, the British system of laws and adjudication is what our system was in the main modeled after. If they could enact a ban on such weapons in a land where the guns already were in the hands of citizens, and have it work so effectively I'm at a loss as to why you casually discard a fine example of how to get it done. It may not be copied wholesale but it surely is a working ban in a system that is very much like our own, in a western society like our own. How close do you need to be?Willynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-73962779418571057462012-12-19T09:30:59.100-08:002012-12-19T09:30:59.100-08:00Well, all opinions are equally valid, but I am con...Well, all opinions are equally valid, but I am convinced that SCOTUS would throw it out in a heartbeat. "Autoload" is not fairly clear, it seems to me to be a textbook case of overly broad.<br /><br />And yes, that is a very good reason not to try. If you overreach legislatively and fail it sets back your legislative strategy for a generation. Pass the most effective regulations you can pass, and keep building on that success. mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13057701313718589322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-51992138665196411232012-12-19T09:18:29.513-08:002012-12-19T09:18:29.513-08:00That's it, that's the reason not to try? I...That's it, that's the reason not to try? I'm not convinced. "Autoload" is fairly clear and the ban would not be for all weapons just autoload weapons. Some political realities/insanities aside, there is no constitutional impediment to such a law.Willynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-67207608373719669132012-12-19T08:53:58.102-08:002012-12-19T08:53:58.102-08:00"Do you accept money from the NRA?" coul..."Do you accept money from the NRA?" could be a useful electoral litmus test. Obviously Republicans don't give a shit, but others might.Substance McGravitashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04118764163822188800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-23350257071610561072012-12-19T07:45:00.242-08:002012-12-19T07:45:00.242-08:00The substantial difference is one of different Con...The substantial difference is one of different Constitutions and different judicial interpretations. There are many things in the UK that could not be implemented in the US...mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13057701313718589322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-76567876391630990172012-12-19T04:30:44.938-08:002012-12-19T04:30:44.938-08:00"Some people even say that we should ban semi...<i>"Some people even say that we should ban semi-auto firearms. I have no idea how you could do that - I'd love to see a sample bill, because to my knowledge nobody's ever tried to actually write one"</i><br /><br />Likely this is technically true in the US but Britain has had such a law on the books for over 10 years. Looking at their gun homicide rate since passage one would call it an effective law.<br /><br />Perhaps we could look to that as a starting point.Willynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-30673347062227469862012-12-18T18:52:50.771-08:002012-12-18T18:52:50.771-08:00Well, I think that even laws against magazine capa...Well, I think that even laws against magazine capacity and muzzle velocity, might be helpful in slowing down the cascading volume of dead bodies. If it isn't the best approach, it still results in a few more live persons, so I view it as a net good.<br /><br />The body count has verged into children. It is no longer defensible.<br /><br />The gun lobby spent the last week silent; they have never done that before.<br /><br />Of course, I an irredeemably optimistic as a general basis, but it does seem to me that the Murder Lobby has lost a fuck of a lot of ground. I mean, a white folks, gun nuts on their own right, and she dies right the fuck out the gate, but it's all legal gunszombie rotten mcdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601960953323752278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-87267478944322092252012-12-18T18:38:53.041-08:002012-12-18T18:38:53.041-08:00If that is actually the outcome, then yes, I agree...If that is actually the outcome, then yes, I agree. If the laws are shaped by the interested parties and NOTHING happens, the body count remains the same, then no. You've been had.<br /><br />And that's where we are. We're talking about new laws that make everybody feel good, including the gun lobby, and there is no difference in the outcome. mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13057701313718589322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-81814842657334600652012-12-18T18:33:47.245-08:002012-12-18T18:33:47.245-08:00See the issue will always be that any anacted laws...See the issue will always be that any anacted laws have some specifics. And of course, those specifics will be circumvented in several ways.<br /><br />But the point is that even so, it will make SOME of these heinous and horrible disasters less likleyl. Nobody is really pretending that these death extravaganzas will cease. The point is to maybe stop, or slow down, a few of them.<br /><br />Because even that will mean that next year, there will be few more movie goers, a few more Sikh penitents, a few more....holy fuck A FEW MORE... children still walking.<br />zombie rotten mcdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601960953323752278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-89981639048312229462012-12-18T14:58:04.792-08:002012-12-18T14:58:04.792-08:00Gee, imagine that. Y'know, California has law...Gee, imagine that. Y'know, California has laws against the sale of a particular type of knife that I am partial to. So for years, I would take a few days to vacation in the People's Democratic Republic of Oregon where no such restrictions exist. I would get a nice little road trip and half a dozen knives that are banned where I live. Of COURSE a state by state solution is ineffective...mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13057701313718589322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8537045684820674531.post-28400938546663475202012-12-18T14:46:34.725-08:002012-12-18T14:46:34.725-08:00There is this, which to me shows that a national a...<a href="http://www.thenewyorkworld.com/2012/08/01/virginia-remains-top-gun-source/" rel="nofollow">There is this</a>, which to me shows that a national approach is needed.<br /><br />(I've already seen suggestions that it be left to the states, as well as "such and such state has restrictive gun laws, and they don't work!")<br />~ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©https://www.blogger.com/profile/06252371815131259831noreply@blogger.com